[ITNOG] Genoa Question
Pierfrancesco Caci
ik5pvx@gmail.com
Ven 24 Gen 2025 19:23:26 CET
All nice and well, but France has cheap power, Italy doesn't.
On Fri, 24 Jan 2025, 17:55 Roderick Beck, <roderick.beck@networksourcing.net>
wrote:
> Let me respond to the three sets of comments.
>
> First of all, Dr. Morino, thank you for your comments.
>
> I think you are underestimating the importance of resiliency and physical
> diversity. Marseille is a single point of failure. This is why some cables
> land at Bario, Genoa, Barcelona, South of France, and probably some day
> Trieste. Yes, these different locations reduce end-to-end latency for
> traffic, but Google and Facebook, which are the main drivers of most new
> cables, definitely care about physical diversity. They've told me so.
>
> Also Marseille is a poor location for traffic bound for Italy Switzerland,
> Germany, Austria or Northern Europe. It is simply too far West.
>
> I do think though that your conclusion might be right due to the lack of
> space suitable for data centers in Genoa and perhaps more importantly the
> fact that Genoa is so close to Milano unlike Marseille and Paris. With
> Marseille as an Internet hub one gets low latency access to French eyeballs
> in the South.
>
> I would also remind everyone that Marseille's gateway status is relatively
> new. It was not an important landing point before 2013. And just as almost
> all Atlantic traffic landed in the UK, but has now switched to landing in
> France, change can happen pretty quickly.
>
> I must go now, but I may have more comments.
>
> Note Triest could be the next new landing point.
>
> Regards,
>
> Roderick.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 12:00 PM <itnog-request@lists.itnog.it> wrote:
>
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>> 1. Re: Genoa Question (Livio Morina)
>> 2. Re: Genoa Question (Brian Turnbow)
>> 3. Re: Genoa Question (Federico Tabḅ)
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Livio Morina <l.morina@airbeam.it>
>> To: itnog@lists.itnog.it
>> Cc:
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 13:42:04 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [ITNOG] Genoa Question
>> Marseille has grown and become the European gateway for east-west traffic.
>>
>> Genoa cannot follow the same path because the conditions are different:
>> the Mediterranean GW has already been established.
>>
>> So the comparison does not help to bet on the development of *Landing
>> City*.
>>
>> Said that there could be other reasons.
>>
>>
>> * Dr. Livio Morina * Chief Executive Officer | Airbeam Srl Unipersonale
>> | *ISP *- *FLEXOPTIX *Distributor
>> *Registered Office:* Via Chiodi 11 | Predore (BG) - Italy
>> * Operational Headquarter:* Piazzale Tonoletti 7 | Palazzolo s/O (BS) -
>> Italy
>> PI 03707490169 - www.airbeam.it - Ph +39 030 8559
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>> On 23/01/2025 10:29, Roderick Beck wrote:
>>
>> Let me explain what has happened at Marseille. Capacity requests between
>> Europe and Singapore mostly terminate in Marseille, not Milan, Frankfurt or
>> Paris.
>> People peer in Marseille which was definitely a backwater comparable to
>> Genoa in 2015. It is now the gateway to Europe.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Roderick.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 2:12 PM Roderick Beck <
>> roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Buongiorno,
>>>
>>> Ladies and Gentlemen,
>>>
>>> Do you think Genoa has the potential to become a major peering point
>>> given the large number of high capcity cables landing there? That's how
>>> Marseille became a peering point. A large number of cables put their CLS
>>> equipment in the Marseille Interxion 1 and 2 buildings and soon those
>>> riding the cables started cross connecting.
>>>
>>> Genoa cables include
>>> 1. 2Africa. 180 Tbps design capacity.
>>> 2. Blue-Raman. 218 Tbps design capacity.
>>> 3. Sipartech's Medloop. ???
>>> 4. Unitirreno. (At least 320 Tbps depending on the branch).
>>>
>>> Let me know your thoughts on or off-list.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Roderick.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Roderick Beck
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>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Roderick Beck
>> Network Capacity Sourcing - Broker
>> Mobile: 00-36-70-605-5144.
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>> Tallinn & Budapest.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Brian Turnbow <brian@itnog.it>
>> To: Livio Morina <l.morina@airbeam.it>
>> Cc: ITNOG <itnog@lists.itnog.it>
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 20:16:08 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [ITNOG] Genoa Question
>> You must consider that Genoa is a city nestled between the sea and the
>> hills. This means that the available land to construct DCs is very limited
>> and pricey. Thus content and carriers will be reluctant to build out and
>> limited to the available DCs. A lot of the cables landing are proceeding
>> to Milan directly that offers an ever increasing landscape of both content
>> and DCs. So you can find better facilities , more connections in and out of
>> Italy with a few Ms in Milan.
>> I do think that Genoa has its place as a landing station/connection
>> point/local gateway, but there are impediments in it becoming a larger
>> traffic source.
>> That said I do hope that I am proven wrong and Genoa becomes the biggest
>> traffic hub in the Mediterranean:-)
>>
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2025, 13:42 Livio Morina <l.morina@airbeam.it> wrote:
>>
>>> Marseille has grown and become the European gateway for east-west
>>> traffic.
>>>
>>> Genoa cannot follow the same path because the conditions are different:
>>> the Mediterranean GW has already been established.
>>>
>>> So the comparison does not help to bet on the development of *Landing
>>> City*.
>>>
>>> Said that there could be other reasons.
>>>
>>>
>>> * Dr. Livio Morina * Chief Executive Officer | Airbeam Srl Unipersonale
>>> | *ISP *- *FLEXOPTIX *Distributor
>>> *Registered Office:* Via Chiodi 11 | Predore (BG) - Italy
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Via%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++Chiodi+11+%7C+Predore+(BG)+-+Italy?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>> * Operational Headquarter:* Piazzale Tonoletti 7 | Palazzolo s/O (BS) -
>>> Italy
>>> PI 03707490169 - www.airbeam.it - Ph +39 030 8559
>>> Iscriviti alla Mailing List moduliottici.it
>>> <http://www.moduliottici.it/> !
>>>
>>> On 23/01/2025 10:29, Roderick Beck wrote:
>>>
>>> Let me explain what has happened at Marseille. Capacity requests between
>>> Europe and Singapore mostly terminate in Marseille, not Milan, Frankfurt or
>>> Paris.
>>> People peer in Marseille which was definitely a backwater comparable to
>>> Genoa in 2015. It is now the gateway to Europe.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Roderick.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 2:12 PM Roderick Beck <
>>> roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Buongiorno,
>>>>
>>>> Ladies and Gentlemen,
>>>>
>>>> Do you think Genoa has the potential to become a major peering point
>>>> given the large number of high capcity cables landing there? That's how
>>>> Marseille became a peering point. A large number of cables put their CLS
>>>> equipment in the Marseille Interxion 1 and 2 buildings and soon those
>>>> riding the cables started cross connecting.
>>>>
>>>> Genoa cables include
>>>> 1. 2Africa. 180 Tbps design capacity.
>>>> 2. Blue-Raman. 218 Tbps design capacity.
>>>> 3. Sipartech's Medloop. ???
>>>> 4. Unitirreno. (At least 320 Tbps depending on the branch).
>>>>
>>>> Let me know your thoughts on or off-list.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Roderick.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Roderick Beck
>>>> Network Capacity Sourcing - Broker
>>>> Mobile: 00-36-70-605-5144.
>>>> Landline: 1-908-452-8183
>>>> Email: roderick.beck@networksourcing.net
>>>> Telegram: @RoderickBeck
>>>> Tallinn & Budapest.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Roderick Beck
>>> Network Capacity Sourcing - Broker
>>> Mobile: 00-36-70-605-5144.
>>> Landline: 1-908-452-8183
>>> Email: roderick.beck@networksourcing.net
>>> Telegram: @RoderickBeck
>>> Tallinn & Budapest.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Federico Tabḅ" <federico@tabbo.it>
>> To: Brian Turnbow <brian@itnog.it>
>> Cc: Livio Morina <l.morina@airbeam.it>, ITNOG <itnog@lists.itnog.it>
>> Bcc:
>> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 20:34:42 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [ITNOG] Genoa Question
>> As someone born in Genoa I am sure my fellow zeneizi will make sure to
>> drive away any and all innovations with a doubtful "ehh... *manimàn"*
>>
>> Il Gio 23 Gen 2025, 20:16 Brian Turnbow <brian@itnog.it> ha scritto:
>>
>>> You must consider that Genoa is a city nestled between the sea and the
>>> hills. This means that the available land to construct DCs is very limited
>>> and pricey. Thus content and carriers will be reluctant to build out and
>>> limited to the available DCs. A lot of the cables landing are proceeding
>>> to Milan directly that offers an ever increasing landscape of both content
>>> and DCs. So you can find better facilities , more connections in and out of
>>> Italy with a few Ms in Milan.
>>> I do think that Genoa has its place as a landing station/connection
>>> point/local gateway, but there are impediments in it becoming a larger
>>> traffic source.
>>> That said I do hope that I am proven wrong and Genoa becomes the biggest
>>> traffic hub in the Mediterranean:-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2025, 13:42 Livio Morina <l.morina@airbeam.it> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Marseille has grown and become the European gateway for east-west
>>>> traffic.
>>>>
>>>> Genoa cannot follow the same path because the conditions are different:
>>>> the Mediterranean GW has already been established.
>>>>
>>>> So the comparison does not help to bet on the development of *Landing
>>>> City*.
>>>>
>>>> Said that there could be other reasons.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> * Dr. Livio Morina * Chief Executive Officer | Airbeam Srl
>>>> Unipersonale | *ISP *- *FLEXOPTIX *Distributor
>>>> *Registered Office:* Via Chiodi 11 | Predore (BG) - Italy
>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Via%0D%0A++++++++++++++++++++++++Chiodi+11+%7C+Predore+(BG)+-+Italy?entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>> * Operational Headquarter:* Piazzale Tonoletti 7 | Palazzolo s/O (BS)
>>>> - Italy
>>>> PI 03707490169 - www.airbeam.it - Ph +39 030 8559
>>>> Iscriviti alla Mailing List moduliottici.it
>>>> <http://www.moduliottici.it/> !
>>>>
>>>> On 23/01/2025 10:29, Roderick Beck wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Let me explain what has happened at Marseille. Capacity requests
>>>> between Europe and Singapore mostly terminate in Marseille, not Milan,
>>>> Frankfurt or Paris.
>>>> People peer in Marseille which was definitely a backwater comparable to
>>>> Genoa in 2015. It is now the gateway to Europe.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Roderick.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 22, 2025 at 2:12 PM Roderick Beck <
>>>> roderick.beck@networksourcing.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Buongiorno,
>>>>>
>>>>> Ladies and Gentlemen,
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you think Genoa has the potential to become a major peering point
>>>>> given the large number of high capcity cables landing there? That's how
>>>>> Marseille became a peering point. A large number of cables put their CLS
>>>>> equipment in the Marseille Interxion 1 and 2 buildings and soon those
>>>>> riding the cables started cross connecting.
>>>>>
>>>>> Genoa cables include
>>>>> 1. 2Africa. 180 Tbps design capacity.
>>>>> 2. Blue-Raman. 218 Tbps design capacity.
>>>>> 3. Sipartech's Medloop. ???
>>>>> 4. Unitirreno. (At least 320 Tbps depending on the branch).
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know your thoughts on or off-list.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Roderick.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Roderick Beck
>>>>> Network Capacity Sourcing - Broker
>>>>> Mobile: 00-36-70-605-5144.
>>>>> Landline: 1-908-452-8183
>>>>> Email: roderick.beck@networksourcing.net
>>>>> Telegram: @RoderickBeck
>>>>> Tallinn & Budapest.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Roderick Beck
>>>> Network Capacity Sourcing - Broker
>>>> Mobile: 00-36-70-605-5144.
>>>> Landline: 1-908-452-8183
>>>> Email: roderick.beck@networksourcing.net
>>>> Telegram: @RoderickBeck
>>>> Tallinn & Budapest.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> Email: roderick.beck@networksourcing.net
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