<div dir="ltr"><div>Let me respond to the three sets of comments. </div><div><br></div><div>First of all, Dr. Morino, thank you for your comments. </div><div><br></div><div>I think you are underestimating the importance of resiliency and physical diversity. Marseille is a single point of failure. This is why some cables land at Bario, Genoa, Barcelona, South of France, and probably some day Trieste. Yes, these different locations reduce end-to-end latency for traffic, but Google and Facebook, which are the main drivers of most new cables, definitely care about physical diversity. They've told me so. </div><div><br></div><div>Also Marseille is a poor location for traffic bound for Italy Switzerland, Germany, Austria or Northern Europe. It is simply too far West.</div><div><br></div><div>I do think though that your conclusion might be right due to the lack of space suitable for data centers in Genoa and perhaps more importantly the fact that Genoa is so close to Milano unlike Marseille and Paris. With Marseille as an Internet hub one gets low latency access to French eyeballs in the South. </div><div><br></div><div>I would also remind everyone that Marseille's gateway status is relatively new. It was not an important landing point before 2013. And just as almost all Atlantic traffic landed in the UK, but has now switched to landing in France, change can happen pretty quickly. </div><div><br></div><div>I must go now, but I may have more comments. </div><div><br></div><div>Note Triest could be the next new landing point. </div><div><br></div><div>Regards, </div><div><br></div><div>Roderick. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 24, 2025 at 12:00 PM <<a href="mailto:itnog-request@lists.itnog.it">itnog-request@lists.itnog.it</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Invia le richieste di iscrizione alla lista itnog all'indirizzo<br>
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1. Re: Genoa Question (Livio Morina)<br>
2. Re: Genoa Question (Brian Turnbow)<br>
3. Re: Genoa Question (Federico Tabbò)<br>
<br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Livio Morina <<a href="mailto:l.morina@airbeam.it" target="_blank">l.morina@airbeam.it</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:itnog@lists.itnog.it" target="_blank">itnog@lists.itnog.it</a><br>Cc: <br>Bcc: <br>Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 13:42:04 +0100<br>Subject: Re: [ITNOG] Genoa Question<br><u></u>
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Marseille has grown and become the European gateway for east-west
traffic.<br>
<br>
Genoa cannot follow the same path because the conditions are
different: the Mediterranean GW has already been established.<br>
<br>
So the comparison does not help to bet on the development of <i>Landing
City</i>.<br>
<p>Said that there could be other reasons.</p>
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<div dir="ltr">Let me explain what has happened at Marseille.
Capacity requests between Europe and Singapore mostly
terminate in Marseille, not Milan, Frankfurt or Paris.
<div>People peer in Marseille which was definitely a backwater
comparable to Genoa in 2015. It is now the gateway to Europe. </div>
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<div>Buongiorno, </div>
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<div>Ladies and Gentlemen, </div>
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<div>Do you think Genoa has the potential to become a
major peering point given the large number of high
capcity cables landing there? That's how Marseille
became a peering point. A large number of cables put
their CLS equipment in the Marseille Interxion 1 and 2
buildings and soon those riding the cables started
cross connecting. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Genoa cables include</div>
<div>1. 2Africa. 180 Tbps design capacity. </div>
<div>2. Blue-Raman. 218 Tbps design capacity. </div>
<div>3. Sipartech's Medloop. ???</div>
<div>4. Unitirreno. (At least 320 Tbps depending on the
branch). </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Let me know your thoughts on or off-list. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards, </div>
<div><br>
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<div>Roderick. </div>
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<br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: Brian Turnbow <<a href="mailto:brian@itnog.it" target="_blank">brian@itnog.it</a>><br>To: Livio Morina <<a href="mailto:l.morina@airbeam.it" target="_blank">l.morina@airbeam.it</a>><br>Cc: ITNOG <<a href="mailto:itnog@lists.itnog.it" target="_blank">itnog@lists.itnog.it</a>><br>Bcc: <br>Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 20:16:08 +0100<br>Subject: Re: [ITNOG] Genoa Question<br><div dir="auto"><div>You must consider that Genoa is a city nestled between the sea and the hills. This means that the available land to construct DCs is very limited and pricey. Thus content and carriers will be reluctant to build out and limited to the available DCs. A lot of the cables landing are proceeding to Milan directly that offers an ever increasing landscape of both content and DCs. So you can find better facilities , more connections in and out of Italy with a few Ms in Milan.</div><div dir="auto">I do think that Genoa has its place as a landing station/connection point/local gateway, but there are impediments in it becoming a larger traffic source.</div><div dir="auto">That said I do hope that I am proven wrong and Genoa becomes the biggest traffic hub in the Mediterranean:-)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Brian</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 23, 2025, 13:42 Livio Morina <<a href="mailto:l.morina@airbeam.it" target="_blank">l.morina@airbeam.it</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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Marseille has grown and become the European gateway for east-west
traffic.<br>
<br>
Genoa cannot follow the same path because the conditions are
different: the Mediterranean GW has already been established.<br>
<br>
So the comparison does not help to bet on the development of <i>Landing
City</i>.<br>
<p>Said that there could be other reasons.</p>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Let me explain what has happened at Marseille.
Capacity requests between Europe and Singapore mostly
terminate in Marseille, not Milan, Frankfurt or Paris.
<div>People peer in Marseille which was definitely a backwater
comparable to Genoa in 2015. It is now the gateway to Europe. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Roderick. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div>Buongiorno, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Ladies and Gentlemen, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Do you think Genoa has the potential to become a
major peering point given the large number of high
capcity cables landing there? That's how Marseille
became a peering point. A large number of cables put
their CLS equipment in the Marseille Interxion 1 and 2
buildings and soon those riding the cables started
cross connecting. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Genoa cables include</div>
<div>1. 2Africa. 180 Tbps design capacity. </div>
<div>2. Blue-Raman. 218 Tbps design capacity. </div>
<div>3. Sipartech's Medloop. ???</div>
<div>4. Unitirreno. (At least 320 Tbps depending on the
branch). </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Let me know your thoughts on or off-list. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Roderick. </div>
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<br><br><br>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: "Federico Tabbò" <<a href="mailto:federico@tabbo.it" target="_blank">federico@tabbo.it</a>><br>To: Brian Turnbow <<a href="mailto:brian@itnog.it" target="_blank">brian@itnog.it</a>><br>Cc: Livio Morina <<a href="mailto:l.morina@airbeam.it" target="_blank">l.morina@airbeam.it</a>>, ITNOG <<a href="mailto:itnog@lists.itnog.it" target="_blank">itnog@lists.itnog.it</a>><br>Bcc: <br>Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2025 20:34:42 +0100<br>Subject: Re: [ITNOG] Genoa Question<br><div dir="auto">As someone born in Genoa I am sure my fellow zeneizi will make sure to drive away any and all innovations with a doubtful "ehh... <i>manimàn"</i></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Il Gio 23 Gen 2025, 20:16 Brian Turnbow <<a href="mailto:brian@itnog.it" target="_blank">brian@itnog.it</a>> ha scritto:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>You must consider that Genoa is a city nestled between the sea and the hills. This means that the available land to construct DCs is very limited and pricey. Thus content and carriers will be reluctant to build out and limited to the available DCs. A lot of the cables landing are proceeding to Milan directly that offers an ever increasing landscape of both content and DCs. So you can find better facilities , more connections in and out of Italy with a few Ms in Milan.</div><div dir="auto">I do think that Genoa has its place as a landing station/connection point/local gateway, but there are impediments in it becoming a larger traffic source.</div><div dir="auto">That said I do hope that I am proven wrong and Genoa becomes the biggest traffic hub in the Mediterranean:-)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Brian</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote" dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 23, 2025, 13:42 Livio Morina <<a href="mailto:l.morina@airbeam.it" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">l.morina@airbeam.it</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
<div>
Marseille has grown and become the European gateway for east-west
traffic.<br>
<br>
Genoa cannot follow the same path because the conditions are
different: the Mediterranean GW has already been established.<br>
<br>
So the comparison does not help to bet on the development of <i>Landing
City</i>.<br>
<p>Said that there could be other reasons.</p>
<div>
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<div dir="ltr">Let me explain what has happened at Marseille.
Capacity requests between Europe and Singapore mostly
terminate in Marseille, not Milan, Frankfurt or Paris.
<div>People peer in Marseille which was definitely a backwater
comparable to Genoa in 2015. It is now the gateway to Europe. </div>
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<div>Do you think Genoa has the potential to become a
major peering point given the large number of high
capcity cables landing there? That's how Marseille
became a peering point. A large number of cables put
their CLS equipment in the Marseille Interxion 1 and 2
buildings and soon those riding the cables started
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<div>Genoa cables include</div>
<div>1. 2Africa. 180 Tbps design capacity. </div>
<div>2. Blue-Raman. 218 Tbps design capacity. </div>
<div>3. Sipartech's Medloop. ???</div>
<div>4. Unitirreno. (At least 320 Tbps depending on the
branch). </div>
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<div>Let me know your thoughts on or off-list. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">Roderick Beck
<div>Network Capacity Sourcing - Broker</div>
<div>Mobile: 00-36-70-605-5144. </div>
<div>Landline: 1-908-452-8183</div>
<div>Email: <a href="mailto:roderick.beck@networksourcing.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">roderick.beck@networksourcing.net</a></div>
<div>Telegram: @RoderickBeck</div>
<div>Tallinn & Budapest.</div>
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<div>Landline: 1-908-452-8183</div>
<div>Email: <a href="mailto:roderick.beck@networksourcing.net" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">roderick.beck@networksourcing.net</a></div>
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</blockquote></div><div><br clear="all"></div><div><br></div><span class="gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Roderick Beck<div>Network Capacity Sourcing - Broker</div><div>Mobile: 00-36-70-605-5144. </div><div>Landline: 1-908-452-8183</div><div>Email: <a href="mailto:roderick.beck@networksourcing.net" target="_blank">roderick.beck@networksourcing.net</a></div><div>Telegram: @RoderickBeck</div><div>Tallinn & Budapest.</div><div><br></div></div></div></div>