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    <p>Forse sbaglio, ma non mi pare di aver detto nulla che vada in
      conflitto con quanto tu abbia affermato.</p>
    <p>Spiegare all'utente che il test non è significativo perché il
      risultato coinvolge fattori su cui il suo provider non può
      intervenire, e fornirgli una speedtest interno al network con cui
      "giocare", è ben diverso dal pretendere che i propri utenti
      sappiano/capiscano come funziona Internet. IMO.<br>
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    <p>Another couple of cents tossed in. <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/11/18 15:22, Pierfrancesco Caci
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        <div>Rimando senza l'attachment che e` troppo grande per la
          lista. <br>
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        <div>L'attachment lo potete trovare online cercando "traceroute
          steenbergen"</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">Permettetemi di dissentire. <br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">Se un utente pensa di essere cosi'
          smart da andare sullo speedtest e credere ai primi numeri che
          vede, e` bene che venga educato.  <br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">Quello che noi tecnicacci possiamo fare
          e` fornire all'utente voglioso di apprendere i mezzi per fare
          un test ragionevole, spiegandogli perche`. <br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">Quindi un bel server speedtest (che sia
          freeware o ookla) interno, con una pagina di spiegazione di
          come funziona. Spiegate perche` speedtest off-net possono non
          essere affidabili. Magari metteteci una traduzione/riassunto
          del pdf sul traceroute che vi allego (sono sicuro che Richard
          non si offende se scopiazzate). <br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">Poi se ne avete la possibilita'
          chiappate il collega del marketing e spiegategli come funziona
          anche a lui. Dico "se ne avete la possibilita'" perche` nelle
          aziende piu' grandi parlare con certi soggetti e` un po'
          difficile, e anche se succede non e` detto che serva perche`
          tanto fanno come gli pare. <br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">Concludo con un rant personale: <br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">speedtest : cancro = mtr : muccapazza</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">Pf<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 8:53 AM Davide
                Davini <<a href="mailto:diotonante@gmail.com"
                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">diotonante@gmail.com</a>>
                wrote:<br>
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                  <p>For what is worth: Concordo.</p>
                  <p>Capisco che i tecnici, operatori di rete, siano
                    infastiditi dall'utente "ignorante", però non è
                    compito del cliente conoscere come funziona
                    Internet. <br>
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                  <p>A tutt'oggi ISP vendono le connessioni "fino a
                    <...>Mb/s", senza ulteriore spiegazione, e poi
                    ci si lamenta che il cliente pretende quello per cui
                    pensa di aver pagato? Permettetemi una grassa
                    risata. :)<br>
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                  <p>Parlate con i vostri uffici marketing. <br>
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                  <p>My 2 cents.<br>
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                    17/11/18 18:25, Marco Marzetti wrote:<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">Se un cliente compra 100Mbps si
                        aspetta giustamente di vedere quel valore su
                        tutti gli speedtest che trova.
                        <div>Noi sappiamo che non e' sempre possibile,
                          ma per l'utente medio l'architettura della
                          rete non e' rilevante.</div>
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                        <div>Provare ad educarli e' molto difficile, ma
                          non impossibile.<br>
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                        <div>Installarsi uno speedtest in casa e' la
                          soluzione migliore.</div>
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                            <div>Ce ne sono alcuni FOSS e farselo da
                              zero non e' impossibile.</div>
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                        <div>Ookla ha una procedura di registazione: <a
href="https://www.speedtest.net/speedtest-servers" target="_blank"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.speedtest.net/speedtest-servers</a><br>
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                        <div>Con Netflix invece ci puoi fare peering
                          agli IXPs (ma poi ci vuole capacita' libera
                          dalla LAN).</div>
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                        <div>Personalmente raccomando ookla e di
                          spendere quel che si deve per personalizzare
                          il loro client che, se non ricordo male, da la
                          possibilita' di loggare i test .</div>
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                      <div dir="ltr">On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 4:57 PM
                        Marco d'Itri <<a href="mailto:md@linux.it"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">md@linux.it</a>>
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                        Costantino <<a href="mailto:costan@amg.it"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">costan@amg.it</a>>
                        wrote:<br>
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                        > Ma scusate, abbiamo la tecnologia, le
                        conoscenze, tempi e modi.. ma fare un AS112-like
                        per speedtest?<br>
                        Non serve l'IP anycast. <a
                          href="http://fast.com" rel="noreferrer"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">fast.com</a>
                        è di Netflix e già sufficientemente <br>
                        distribuito alle periferie delle reti.<br>
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                        ciao,<br>
                        Marco<br>
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